[brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights

[-ray]

I always goofed off in civics and history class, so I had to goto WIkipedia.

Enumerated powers, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the US Constitution 
states Congress has the power:

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, 
and with the Indian tribes;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Enumerated_powers

How does deciding who a company can trade with *NOT* fall under regulating 
commerce with foreign nations?

ray

On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:

> The Constitution enumerates all the powers of the government.  Deciding who a company can trade with isn't one of them.
>
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> I don't think it is unlawful or unconstitutional for the government to forbid an American company, say Northrop Grumman, from doing any business with a foreign company, say Iran.  For obvious reasons.
>
> You can do business with China though.  Then they'll do business with Iran.
>
> Oh wait.  When you say overlords, did you mean our Chinese overlords? :)
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> ray
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>
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:
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>> The majority of what our overlords do is unlawful.  Positive law isn't legit if it violates the Constitution.
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>> Do you mean they have no moral or legal authority? They certainly have the legal authority (e.g., Cuba, munitions).
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>> Our government has 0 authority to tell private companies who their customers can and cannot be.
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>> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:48:31 -0600
>> From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com
>> To: general at brlug.net
>> Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights Now, this may
>> be a good idea:
>>
>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/190579/senator_to_introduce_internet_hu
>> man_rights_bill.html
>>
>> The basic idea: The law "would impose criminal or civil penalties on U.S. Internet companies that bow to pressure of foreign governments and violate human rights."
>>
>> Still, this creates a cache-22. This would essentially bar US companies from competing in markets like China, which are huge. So would this put our companies at a long-term disadvantage?
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>> Perhaps this law makes more sense if it applies to *ANY* company that operates in the US.
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